About Shanghai Nightlife Guide

Here you find more about our "philosophy and rules": rules

You like to contact us? Here you can get in touch with us: contact

The Shanghai Nightlife Guide Team

We went a long way from a hobby page some years ago to a daily updated quality resource for all aspects of the Nightlife in Shanghai. Currently our team has seven members who will all do their best to make sure, you have fun and keep safe here in Shanghai!

Steven (Founder and Head of the Team)

Nationality: German

Age: 44
Mission: Steven started the page in Shanghai some years ago beside his work in a media company. As a single man in this great city he spend a fortune in girls bars and sauna clubs, and the page was just started to share his "hobby" information with other interested guys around. Over the years the page got more and more popular, so now it has already get his "main job" to keep the page up to date, handle request and feedback and built up new pages in other cities and countries. 

Julia (Research and New Business Development)

Nationality: Chinese

Age: 28

Mission: Julia is our Angel when we need to find new hot places or search for updated information. She has a good network of girls working in this branch and combined with great web search skills, she always surprise us with her research results.

Bunny (Escort Section Manager)

Nationality: Chinese

Age: 32

Bunny: Since 2014 Bunny is responsible for our independent escort category. She has years of sauna experience and help us to find new girls, introduce and train them, but also make sure they all follow our rules and provide only best service. 

Jenny (Sauna Section Manger)

Nationality: Chinese

Age: 34

Mission: Jenny just joined our team in August 2015 and took over the sauna section from Julia, who used to built up the discount concept recently. Jenny now will also be available for sauna guide support by e-mail or personal. 

Judy (Customer Service Hotline)

Nationality: Chinese

Age: 29

Mission: Vicky is working on our hotline which you can get on phone or in the chat, if you for example to book an independent escort girl. She is kind with good English skills, so we are sure you will get a great support from her! 

Sophy (Customer E-Mail Support)

Nationality: Chinese

Age: 24

Mission: Sophy is a student, currently not in Shanghai, but able to support our team with answering E-Mail requests, mostly for our booking hotline. We are sure she will do her best to make sure, you will get exactly what you are looking for!

Please don`t bother our female employees with requests for dates or special service they could provide for you. They are all willing to arrange the perfect girl for you, but NONE of them is available for any extra service! Thank you for understanding.

If you have any comment to any further question, or you want to recommend a new location or service, please send a e-mail to

info@shanghai-nightlife-guide.com

or leave a comment here:

Comments: 125
  • #125

    Lost (Saturday, 11 March 2017 16:11)

    1066 Caobao Road Massage place is closed. Went by there. Front door is locked, The entire second floor of the building is completely gutted. Signs removed from the front. Best regards

  • #124

    Jenson Tee (Thursday, 09 March 2017 17:01)

    Just want to ask is there any 24 hour massage centre or bathouse around Hongqiao area??...will be arivng to shanghai on Tuesday afternoon and catching a 630 am flight to Qingtao..so plan to stay in a massage centre instead of checking in a hotel.thanks for the help...

  • #123

    MD.JING (Monday, 27 February 2017 04:13)

    Dear Friends:

    I’m interested in your website and it makes me know much about the night life in Shanghai. In fact, I’m a doctor and just have a clinic here, so i want to know whether i can push any advertisement on your web or not ? Such as the advertisement for STDs test.I think we can have a long term cooperation and benefit from it. Waiting for your reply.

    My best wishes
    MD.JING

  • #122

    HotinShanghai (Saturday, 11 February 2017 04:45)

    Made exactly the same experience in BJG. Shanghai services is great and reliable, but BJG sucks. I have tried 5 times now (!) and never got the girl I ordered. After the second time I started to send the girls back. Didnt help. Last time I got two girls in one night. After the first girl didnt was the one I ordered (and I had warned the hotline before), they sent me three pics from girls not on this website as alternative. I choose one. Guess who arrived..someone else...done with BJG. No more.

  • #121

    Mak (Tuesday, 07 February 2017 17:02)

    Beijing site closed?

  • #120

    Shanghai Nightlife - Steven (Monday, 30 January 2017 20:54)

    @T:
    Even I am of course totally clear that your post is much more a "statement" than a question, I would like to take the opportunity to clear the point here.
    Your question was (for all our visitors here who not able to understand German): What is the difference between me and a pimp?
    So first let us clear some basics.
    Because I am not running a sauna club or massage studio, I would guess your posting refers to our "independent escort section".
    In general, pimps are associated with several brutal "motivational techniques" to keep the girls on working. I am sure that no one seriously links our business here with such methods and simply leave these points out of the question!
    The main difference is easy to explain:
    A pimp own a "company" with several employed girls who work for him.
    I own a webpage where independent and self-employed girls can book profiles to find customers.
    So while the pimp is "boss" of the girls and able to tell them what to do, the girls are customers of our company, so we are not in the position to give them any order.Except the obligation to follow our "house rules" and the the ability to ban them for rule violations, we have no way to influence their business!
    Practically and concretely this means:
    - Each girl decide which kind of service she like to offer
    - Each girl decide which clients she like to serve
    - All girls are free to leave when ever they like (our house-rule only not allow them to charge for service they not have been provided)
    - Each girl is free to decide how much she want to charge for what kind of service (here our house-rule only requires, that the price must be clear forehand, so that the customer know what he will get and what to pay for before he "book":
    - All girls can decide when they want to start or finish work, when they want to take a time off or when they want to go in holiday. And all that without any restriction. They only need to tell us their "actual status", if they are not available, so that we are able to avoid customers waste their time with girls who are not bookable.
    So our business model is without any doubt far away from all the agency or pimping business ways.

    However, our business model also differs from most other websites around, which is probably the reason for the totally wrong assessment of our activity.
    First we offer a "optional bookable" hotline service (what is mandatory, if a girl does not speak enough English to communicate on phone with our customers or is not trustworthy).
    Second unlike other websites, we do not charge by the time a girls profile is online (for example monthly or yearly), but on the basis of sales. Even our system is much more complicate and include a high risk to get cheated, we still believe that this way has a lot of advantages finally. On the one hand we keep our independence. If a customer would pay for a period, he could also expect that we do not post any information that would reduce his business chances. Our commission based system make sure he has no claim that he is presented as good as possible! If he don`t get clients, he also don`t need to pay, so also no reason to complain.
    On the other hand we are also able to charge a much higher rate than anyone would pay for a profile on a "time based" model. No one would be willing to charge a lot for internet Ads, because he don`t know the "return" he will get, while it is easy to accept a deal where you simply pay a fair share for the "sales partner". By the way exactly the business model of google search engine ads, where they charge by click instead of page views!
    And precisely this higher income allows us to offer the service quality to our customers - independent girls and page visitors - that differentiates us from all other web pages in this branch.
    For the client side we are able to make sure the profiles are real and keep the "hidden agencies" away, make sure the profiles will not be outdated and we even daily update the actual status of each girl. But we also continously invest a lot of effort and time to improve the user experience.
    For the girls we provide a lot of tools and support to improve their business - and all of that free of charge. Like for example our photo shooting sessions, but also a lot of help tips how to "play safe".

    So over all there is - except our billing concept - nothing the same or even similar to the usual work of an agency or pimp.

    I hope I have been able to clear some "open questions",

    Steven

  • #119

    T (Saturday, 28 January 2017 16:42)

    Sag Steven, was unterscheidet dich von ein Zuhälter?

  • #118

    Dissapointed (Friday, 20 January 2017 22:35)

    OK good to know that this section isnt moderated for approval

  • #117

    Dissapointed (Friday, 20 January 2017)

    Hey...I've sent at least 4 emails raising concerns about a recent encounter and everyone was ignored. I'm fairly confident this message wont be approved but don't really understand the hit&miss service.

    I've been using the Beijing service for quite a while as well. I never once got the girl i ordered but before this trip, i always got a close match with good service. I'm actually afraid to give more details as assuming i get some response on this i'd like to continue using the service and not be alienated from Angela. Suffice to say, i 'booked' 2 hot girls from the site. What i got was a middle aged woman who spent the evening crying and telling me how much she wanted out of the life and the second round was an extremely plain lady in her mid-thirties who i couldnt convince myself to get even remotely turned on.

    At least for the Shanghai service you get what you ask for and i have a lot of time for Judy but dont understand the lack of response. It's also worth noting that i wrote really good interview for Tia(who was a close lookalike) and Linda (Who was actually Carmen). Neither of the reviews got posted - I guess becuase it would confirm that i was lied to.

    I'm a long-term customer. i'll verify that by saying that I was a regular for Patiko. Very dissapointed with the Beijing stage and think i'll just try and get a regular thing going with one of the known independents.

    I hope you respect your customers enough to reply in some way to this message but i'm currently not confident. If you dont want to post this but want to contact me you can put a message up that Patiko has requested your email - or anything to do with Patiko

  • #116

    Oscar (Thursday, 12 January 2017 08:20)

    Hello all,

    At first I need to compliment your good job, your website is very very fruitful, contain a lot of useful information that we need.

    Just wonder I can check out your website on my desktop with no problem, however when I use my IPhone try to browse the website your webpage cannot be open. It will auto direct to www.shanghai-guide.com instead.

    Want to know is it my phone problem or your website didn’t allow to use mobile devices to access the site?

    Looking forward for the reply.

    Thank you!

  • #115

    Marc (Friday, 14 October 2016 04:52)

    I would like to know if in Huaihai Middle Rd there are a sauna. The other day when I was going to the Bar Window Scoreboard (Level 11) the elevator stopped in the level 8 instead of the 11 and I saw something that make me be suspicious about it. The place is called from outside: Long Heng International Club.

  • #114

    Shanghai Nightlife Guide (Tuesday, 30 August 2016 00:14)

    @Jon@all:

    P.S.: Let me place also a useful tip here: there would also be much less waste of time, if you would have used another communication channel.
    Our hotline can be contacted by phone, chat or e-mail, and for sure e-mail is the slowest one with the highest risk to loose time by delayed answer. So in an urgent case, mostly a phone call or use chat can avoid the waste of time and solve many problems fast enough to make sure the girls can show up in time.

    Have fun and enjoy Shanghai,

    Steven

  • #113

    Shanghai Nightlife Guide (Tuesday, 30 August 2016 00:11)

    @Jon:
    Hi John, first of all, I am very sorry for your disappointing experience and I can imagine how it will be, if you waste your limited free time for "party" because of such a bullshit.
    On the other side I have to say, that here we are probably at the "limit" of the service that we are practically able to provide at the moment. There are two "critical points" in our concept which will follow up to cases like that with nearly no chance to avoid it.
    First is our own rule of "no bait and switch"... this problem obviously not exist for any other page or for any agency, because they simply would have send someone else over. Much more easy to avoid any problem like that and keep any potential deal by a offer with faked profiles. One clear consequence of our concept to work with real profiles will be, that the girls sometimes not available, even they are listed as available. That could be, because a request is just in time and because she is together with a customer we not know about, she not pick up her phone or not answer in time, than we have not way to avoid that. ,
    And here we come to the second problem. It`s part of our concept, that the girls are really independent, so that means they are our customers who place their profile on our page and free how to work, when they want to work and so on.
    They need to agree and follow our "rules" which mainly cover all the needs to avoid cheating, but we have nearly no other way to give them pressure than remove them from our listing, which we do for serious cases like cheating, but normally not if a girl forgot to tell us, that she is not available.
    This girls are not grown up in a environment of reliable business behavior where they are used to follow a fixed schedule and pressed into a working environment. What getting visible when they forget to tell us changes in their availability. And to be fair, I also need to give in, that the concept of real profiles actually not so successful than I would wish. Even the independent girls section has more than 1500 visitors a day, finally many girls get not even one booking for several days.
    Unfortunately the majority of guys still prefer to book a pretty Korean fashion model - at least that is what they select from the picture for a price of 600 RMB for 2 hours - what is the rate they got told. Even they will not meet the model and pay 5 times higher than agreed, many guys will repeat that experience again and again, hoping that one day they will get the beauty they expect...
    It`s very frustrating to get feedback like "the girls here are all ugly, I will look other pages with more pretty girls"... because in fact who provide faked pictures not need to provide pretty girls, so in average the level is for sure much lower than on our page, where a really ugly girl simply has no "future", because no business.
    But based on that, we can first not make too much pressure to the girls, because as long as we are not able to provide a great business, they will not really worry to be banned.
    And second that also mean, when a girl for 3 days not got any client, it`s easy for her to "forget" to tell us she is out of town on the next day, because she not expect that now a customer would come after 3 days no client, so she not care too much an more.
    We also tried it for a limited time that our hotline simply every day contacted all girls to ask for their status. But the result was, that the girls first made a lot of pressure to the hotline to provide customers for them after they told her they wait for clients (based on the fact, that in a typical agency the manager can decide who they send, and many girls not believe that the hotline is not the one who decide which girl the customer select. Here it`s a culture difference. While Chinese guys mostly easily follow the advice who they should select, most foreigner get pissed off if we would try to "change" their decision. And the second negative result of the daily status check was, that girls not take our contact request serious any more after some days where they get contacted for that, but in the consequence not get any deals.
    So we went back to the process, where they need to inform us about changes, which avoid the mentioned problem, but also cause the problem that the rate of "suddenly not available" go up.
    So I don`t see any working solution for get more "discipline" in the girls update process, at least not before we are able to provide much more clients... than for sure their motivation and "connection" to our page will go up a lot, which will enable a lot of ways to avoid things like that.

    So hope next time you will enjoy the time with the girls and not waste the time to wait for them ;-)

    Steven

  • #112

    Shanghai Nightlife Guide (Monday, 29 August 2016 22:18)

    @Mike:
    I think I have an easy solution to fix your problem, but it`s not a bug, it`s a feature, so I will not be able to publish the instruction here, so if you like to get rid of this problem, you can contact me by e-mail and I can give you a instruction how to solve it.
    info@shanghai-nightlife-guide.com

    Have a good time,

    Steven

  • #111

    Jon (Sunday, 28 August 2016 18:01)

    Hi Steven and SNG. Thanks for all that you do. However, I scheduled a meeting with one of the girls for Sunday. I had to work my whole days schedule to have a little time off for some fun and a little relaxation. I got back the the hotel and had an email that the special girl had just received her monthly visitor. I totally understand this does happen. The email asked to change to another special girl. I sent an email to request another (available) girl. About another hour later the scheduler emailed me back and said she was not in town today. Now it was to late as I had wasted my 4 hours off before I had to return for another engagement. Please have your schedulers make sure that when they say the girls are available, they actually are. Thanks again for all the hard work you do.

  • #110

    Mike (Friday, 26 August 2016 05:55)

    Dear All,
    I found a strange Problem with my Huawei-Mobile-Phone. I do not know if the Problem is connected to the fact, that I uploaded the new Huawei-Software. The Problem is that I cannot open your Homepage any more, I am always directed to the page: Shanghai.guides.com, then later even this page was not working. SNG simply did not work on the phone.
    Do you know about such Problems? Isit just my phone or is the reason somewhere in the Chinese Firewall?
    Cheers
    Mike

  • #109

    SG (Friday, 12 August 2016 06:53)

    I want to goto Caesars Palace, how can I get the address and contact?
    Also as Indian, will they allow me.
    If not, please suggest best alternate. Thanks

  • #108

    tommaso (Monday, 01 August 2016 13:07)

    Hy i m at the moment at the crown plaza on padding i would like to know where to find the closest and the best sauna massage centre around here thanks.

    dtommaso@icloud.com

  • #107

    Luis (Thursday, 14 July 2016 01:03)

    I heard that you are working in a massage map near to the most popular hotels in Shanghai. Do you know when is it going to be ready? The massage part i feel is a little bit less update.

    Thanks!

  • #106

    SM fun (Sunday, 26 June 2016 14:44)

    Hi SNG team
    Would you have some connections toward SM world (web site, specialized escort girls or escort agencies, clubs...) ?
    Tanks a lot in advance and congratulations for your job !

  • #105

    Gregory (Thursday, 26 May 2016 10:57)

    Hi Steven,
    I had before contacted you about a girl who wanted to join your Beijing website...
    it never worked out: She runs under "Chubbycat" or "Lala"..
    You may remember. Is there any special issue why she can not really get into consideration? I'm not indepted to her but I had offered to contact you and so I did a while ago..
    In case there is an issue with her, just a quick answer telling me "we are not interested" . No need to give any reason.
    Sometimes things don't work out..
    But really appreciate a feedback, being it yes or no.
    Thanks, Gregory

  • #104

    Shanghai Nightlife Guide (Monday, 28 March 2016 06:52)

    @TB:
    Sorry, but I am not involved in any booking process, so there is no reason to get in touch with me for that. For the booking process of the independent girls we offer a hotline if the girls not handle their customer request for them, for tours we have a booking form, so all should work smoothly.
    And beside the booking issue an e-mail always will work best to get in touch with me: info@shanghai-nightlife-guide.com.

    Have a good time,

    Steven

  • #103

    TB (Monday, 28 March 2016 06:07)

    Steven, how do i reach out to you for bookings?

  • #102

    Shanghai Nightlife Guide (Wednesday, 02 March 2016 16:45)

    @David:
    first one important point: NEVER EVER try it without permission (perhaps in a hidden way) in a sauna! You will get in serious trouble if they catch you... and I talk about REALLY serious trouble... Like it has been tradition in the golden time of Las Vegas: next morning you wake up in the desert ;-)
    Reason is, that the big raid and breakdown of Dongguan (which has been the Las Vegas of China) started with a hidden video recording of a sauna session, which was broadcasted in CCTV... so the proof was out for prostitution. So now all saunas are totally crazy scared about video recording.
    We had that request before already, so our service survey with all new girls also include, if they will allow to record with video. We have the option "with face" and "without face", and several of the girls allow video without face, till now only two allow with face, but I am not sure if they really understood the risk, so I not set this option yet. So for example with a Venezian mask (I have a lot if you need, bought them for the same case ;-)) it should work. And the standard rate is additional 50% on the normal rate.

    For more details you best contact me by e-mail,

    Steven

  • #101

    David (Wednesday, 24 February 2016 01:31)

    Are there providers (escorts/saunas) that allow video recording for an additional fee? Is that something normal to ask for? What would that cost, typically? (I noticed some escort services in Japan allowed video recording from a mobile phone for an additional 75% fee on top of the standard.)

  • #100

    Shanghai Nightlife Guide (Tuesday, 19 January 2016 18:08)

    @Nadia:
    first I hope you are a man ;-) Nadia is a female name for me, and no sauna We listed offer service to female clients ;-)
    Simply go to the sauna section, than open the map service (actually needs VPN because it's Google based and so it's blocked in China.

    Have fun,

    Steven

  • #99

    Nadia (Tuesday, 19 January 2016 16:18)

    Which sauna is closest to hongqing airport?

  • #98

    Gerald (Monday, 18 January 2016 16:42)

    Good evening
    I will be in Shanghai for the first time starting tomorrow and for 8 days
    Im looking for nice bars or Disco with ladies and good atmosphere
    Im also looking for a good prostate massage at hotel or at sauna place

    Regards

  • #97

    newbie M (Saturday, 09 January 2016 09:12)

    Want model like gal with perfect body next week. Preferably send to hotel. Who to look for?

  • #96

    Rob (Saturday, 19 December 2015 13:12)

    I just want to thank the SNG team. I had noticed your site a while ago through reviews on TER, but assumed it was "just anther site to view suspiciously." Boy, was I wrong. You guys are providing a terrific, reliable service. I booked two service providers on a recent trip and they were both great experiences, exactly as advertised. I also took advantage of the chat services for guidance, very helpful. Guys, pay the VIP membership charge... it's small for what you get!

  • #95

    Shanghai Nightlife Guide (Saturday, 05 December 2015 06:39)

    @John
    The standard in Shanghai is uncovered BJ and covered sex. For sure there are exceptions, but based on our page rules, we not list or recommend services who offer uncovered sex.

    Have fun,

    Steven

  • #94

    John (Saturday, 05 December 2015 03:30)

    Hi, I'm new here. Just wondering if the girls do it w/ or w/o condom or what you would recommend. Cheers, John

  • #93

    Peter (Tuesday, 03 November 2015 16:27)

    I am in Guangzhou for the next 3 nights. Can you recommend any girls? I have had the pleasure of being with few of the girls from your website in Shanghai and all are first class experiences.

  • #92

    Shanghai Nightlife Guide (Wednesday, 28 October 2015 06:18)

    @Karl:
    sorry, but we really actually don`t be able to provide any information beside Shanghai and Beijing. Really hard to find reliable provider in a country, where you can make much more money, if you cheat your clients in that business.
    So before we really start an active research in any city as a preparation to built up a new page, we unfortunately not able to help out with that service.

    Nevertheless, have a good time and good luck there,

    Steven

  • #91

    Karl (Monday, 19 October 2015 17:40)

    Will be traveling to Hangzhou next month, do you know any reliable service providers there ?

  • #90

    John (Monday, 07 September 2015 16:14)

    Guys
    Never go to this website http://shanghai.happymassage.com
    It is a totally scam and fake website.
    The girl is not the same with the photo at all.
    Calling one girl and the one show up have a stomach and ass like a satelite dish. Totally shit type of girl.
    Be careful cos some photos actually one person.

  • #89

    Shanghai Nightlife Guide (Wednesday, 12 August 2015 08:47)

    @Justin:
    no problem, but for your appointment, please use one of the communication ways we offer for that... many available like phone, wechat, whatsapp, skype or e-mail.

    Have fun with this beauties,

    Steven

  • #88

    Justin (Tuesday, 11 August 2015 18:23)

    May I please schedule an appointment tomorrow at the Park Hyatt w Bella, Lan Lan or Mystique?

    Justin

  • #87

    Shanghai Nightlife Guide (Sunday, 26 July 2015 17:53)

    @danielmunz85
    she is still listed in the independent escort category. And you remember right, her name is Mystique ;-)
    Fu**** expensive, but also fu*** hot...

    Have fun with Mystique,

    Steven

  • #86

    danielmunz85@gmail.com (Friday, 24 July 2015 12:41)

    Further to my last message. Her name was I think Mystique

  • #85

    danielmunz85@gmail.com (Friday, 24 July 2015 07:30)

    Hi,
    Last year around this time this website had an independent escort. I don,t remember her name but she was what they call a 'car model'. She was the most expensive girl ever put on the website. Do you guys still have her? Or anyone similar? Looking for high end car model type girls for August.

    Thanks guys

  • #84

    Shanghai Nightlife Guide (Thursday, 11 June 2015 02:18)

    @Frank:
    thank you for your compliment. We also have a page in Beijing (www.beijing-nightlife-guide.com), but honestly Beijing is "dry", so we could not find really usefull informations there. So much less traffic on the page, so also the independent girls area not so great than here in Shanghai, but at least we can provide some reliable private massage clubs and some escorts with real pictures and rates already.

    Have fun there, but do not expect too much from the naughty entertainment in Beijing,

    Steven

  • #83

    Frank White (Saturday, 06 June 2015 06:50)

    First of all - thanks for your great website and service providers on it.
    How about Beijing - do you have website there also or can you recommend website in Beijing which is as good & reliable as this Shanghai one?
    best regards,
    Frank

  • #82

    Shanghai Nightlife Guide (Wednesday, 27 May 2015 14:39)

    happy to hear you like our page. We also would love to have more pages in different cities, but it`s hard to realize. We try to find locals who support and cooperate with us, but failed several times in several cities already. Not easy to find reliable people who are also willing to work hard. Wish us luck, so that next time we also can provide you service in other cities,

    Steven

  • #81

    nadirrr85@gmail.comq (Wednesday, 27 May 2015 13:54)

    I love this site and always use it when im in Shanghai. Unfortunately my next trip is to Guangzhou and I hate not having a site like this to help me!!!

  • #80

    Roger (Wednesday, 06 May 2015 15:30)

    @Steven, being German too( you might have guessed, haha) bin Ich Von Ihrenm Konzept überzeugt. Beverly kenne ich seit 6 Jahren, Angie erst kürzlich getroffen. Ich sehe jetzt eine "Wenli" regelmäßig. Ich habe schon über SNG mit ihr gesprochen... Problem sind Fotos mit Gesicht...
    Warum sind nur die Raten so unsinnig hoch?
    Damit kann das Business kaum gut werden..
    Brauche ich Ihnen ja nicht zu sagen...
    Wenn Sie eine "Partnerschaft" mit TER hinbekämen könnte das evtl. Ganz vorteilhaft sein... Warum? TER hat halt mehr internationale Kunden auch in den reviews

  • #79

    Shanghai Nightlife Guide (Wednesday, 06 May 2015 11:39)

    @Roger:
    thank you for the tip. We really aprechiate every help we can get to solve that "overcharging problem" and find better girls in Beijing.

    Unfortunately I have been in Beijing last year to check out both of this agencies (and several others), but as you could realize already, we have some - for China, where only money counts - unusual "high moral standards".
    I know it sounds weird in the prostitution business, but we basically follow the german law, where prostitution is a normal business, but any kind of pimping is strictly forbidden.
    And we will NOT support any kind of pimping and trafficking. And unfortunately the agencies you mentioned both first charge 50 to 70% "agency share" from the girls (a girl who got only 50% or even less is under pimping from our view) and additional I talked with the girls they send to me last year, and 3 of them finally reveals themself, that they have been under a "big pressure" to do that kind of work. They have been seduced to come to Beijing for a good job and good money, finally ended up in prostitution for very less money unintentionally (that is very near to what we would call "trafficking"). So even they are cheap, there is a reason for that, and even from customers view it`s a good deal, it is a kind of business we don`t want and we will not support.
    We work hard on it to find better girls with reasonable rates, but we will not give up our "moral standard" to offer the cheapest deals at the cost of exploited girls.
    Every girl should be free to decide, what she want to work, when she want to work and how much she like to charge for it.
    Than every customer is free to decide, if he is willing to spend it or not, so than finally the price will be regulated by the market, but should not be regulated by some people who make a fortune by exploiting helpless poor girls.
    I know a agency owner who make more than 5 million RMB a year (but charge 1200 for one hour and pay 500 to the girls who need to give their ID-cards to him, stay in his overpriced appartments and so on). From Chinese view, he is a guy to admire, because he got rich very fast, from customer view he bring cheap deals over, but from our view he should be send to jail for that!
    Be fair and honest to all our customers - and this includes also the girls - is the basic philosophy of our page and we spend a lot of effort to keep pimping and exploiting away and even we loose "attractivitiy" by that, it is a very helpfull way for all of us to sleep much better.

    I hope you can understand and accept our point of view,

    Steven

  • #78

    Roger (Wednesday, 06 May 2015 11:03)

    @Steven,
    I guess you are familiar with e.g. Angel or Kitty or ...
    Their fee is between 600 to max 1200 per hr
    The BNG/SNG girls charge way too much...
    Although in Sha there is no one like Angel etc..
    And you can send them back and get another one, not even taxi fee

  • #77

    Shanghai Nightlife Guide (Monday, 04 May 2015 23:39)

    @Roger:
    thank you for your note, and no, I am not in holiday and I am up to date with the problems in Beijing. It`s really a pitty, but it is very hard for us to solve in Beijing. Unfortunatelly we have even less visitors (and so less customers), so much more hard to explain the girls, they have to follow our rules.
    It`s a really hard task to find girls in China who agree to show real pictures, combined with quote real rates, it`s nearly impossible. In Shanghai we are successfull, because first we have a "4 year history", so girls have good experience, recommend us to their friends and so on, so it`s getting better and better (even still not easy even girls can find good customers on our page now).
    Honestly, they still make much more money on the "fake agent pages". Just today a girl in Beijing told me, on her current page (Agency with around 20 girls, all fake pictures) they work 3 girls together, every girl has at least 2 or 3 customers a day, and only one or two guys per month(!!!!!) send her back, because the picture is not her.
    As long as nearly all customers only attract by the most sexiest (but faked) girls pictures and than not even send the girls away, when they could see they have been cheated with that, it will be nearly impossible for us to persude them for our "reliable concept".
    On our page no girl has more than 1 customer a day, often no customers (for sure the real pictures are never so attractive than the fakes on her current page, so less customers will contact our girls than her agency girls).
    We really work hard to improve also in Beijing, but I don`t have a really good idea how we could get very fast several reliable girls there.
    If anyone of you guys know girls who are reliable and would like to join our independent page in Beijing (or also here in Shanghai), please support us (and also finally yourself) and forward her contact to me: (info@shanghai-nightlife-guide.com)

    我们加油
    Steven

  • #76

    Roger (Monday, 04 May 2015 21:02)

    @ Steven
    I guess you follow your buiness model also in Beijing..
    Red flag there does seemingly not work: many complaints about upselling and worse ...
    May be you are in vacation... Check you manager there, haha
    Quality is better than Quantity !!!

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